Enny:
I think the idea of draft reviews visible only to the writer would stop a lot of meaningless reviews because half the people only write reviews on day 1 so as to garner upvotes - they do not even bother to update it and still have a lot of upvotes and by a lot i mean a lot - you can easily find such reviews on the front page of popular dramas - and to actually find a worth it review you have to skip a lot of pages - the purpose upvotes should serve is making different and valid views easily available , but they be doing no such thing !
also the reviews of binge watchers never make it to even top 5 for popular dramas - I mean it's obviously a different experience watching a drama while waiting for the eps and binge watching one - because the drama might not be that gripping to bring back viewers after a week but it could make a good binge watch - if only we had a column for binge watch sort of - or a scale for being watch friendliness in the reviews !
An interesting thought about binge watchers but one I would have to disagree with. I am almost solely a binge watcher. I have dropped plenty of dramas even after 25 eps. I often rate dramas lower than the masses even ones I watched as they aired. The quality of the drama is the same whether watched in pieces or after airing although narrative repetition is more readily apparent when binging.
The reason our binge reviews tend to never make it to the top 5 is the same reason people start writing reviews the second the drama airs-earlier reviews get more likes. The earlier the review, the more likely it is to get likes which is why people start posting them after one ep.
As of 750 reviews I’ve never labeled anything a “masterpiece” or elevated a score to get more likes, something I’ve noticed the reviewers who jump the gun often do.
In response to @Strawgal-I would not want a word limit. I enjoy reading and writing longer reviews. Some of my favorite reviewers on MDL write longer, well thought out reviews such as PBG and Kate. Professional reviewers tend to write long reviews as well. I’d prefer to let the reader decide if they’d rather read a short or long one.
Ji-N3:
Next Major Updates:
- Ongoing reviews will expire after 30 days, becoming hidden, and a notification will be sent to update them.
- At least one episode must be watched to write a review.
- Review overall scores will sync with the title's rating score.
- Overall rating will be optional.
- Category ratings will also be optional.
- A history of edits will be available when you change the rating or the content.
The language isn’t totally clear here. Are you saying…
- you are making ongoing show reviews into drafts and not allowing users to publish a review before a show ends or
- that they will be published but they have to edit them after a show finishes airing for them to stay visible?
Next Major Updates:
- Ongoing reviews will expire after 30 days, becoming hidden, and a notification will be sent to update them.
- At least one episode must be watched to write a review.
- Review overall scores will sync with the title's rating score.
- Overall rating will be optional.
- Category ratings will also be optional.
- A history of edits will be available when you change the rating or the content.
These will be great! Thanks very much for the consideration and thanks in advance for the hard work on the new updates.
BTW while we at this, can we also have option to sort according to rating, alongside most helpful and most recent? Because sometimes, the most helpful sorting is not that helpful for large number of reviews.
ElBee:
The language isn’t totally clear here. Are you saying…
- you are making ongoing show reviews into drafts and not allowing users to publish a review before a show ends or
- that they will be published but they have to edit them after a show finishes airing for them to stay visible?
Yes, ongoing will be considered as a draft and will be visible for public for 30 days. If updated again, the 30-day period will reset, and so on. This way, we can still keep the feature, but the user needs to continue updating their reviews to remain visible.
Next Major Updates:
- Ongoing reviews will expire after 30 days, becoming hidden, and a notification will be sent to update them.
- At least one episode must be watched to write a review.
- Review overall scores will sync with the title's rating score.
- Overall rating will be optional.
- Category ratings will also be optional.
- A history of edits will be available when you change the rating or the content.
oo interesting changes!
Yes, ongoing will be considered as a draft and will be visible for public for 30 days. If updated again, the 30-day period will reset, and so on. This way, we can still keep the feature, but the user needs to continue updating their reviews to remain visible.
Thank you for clarifying! These should drastically reduce the long-term presence of clone accounts of people essentially waiting for the day to change so they can write “reviews” about the cast being amazing, essentially just a feed post suited bit of hype without any substance related to the dramas, oftentimes before the first episode is actually released on TV or online… they might still go review and claim somehow they’ve seen 12 of 12 episodes three hours before the first episode drops, but it will require far more wasted time for them to keep those reviews live. The only titles that this will not be especially helpful for are long-running TV shows (variety/game/reality sorts) that oftentimes air for years on end. At least those aren’t typically titles people read reviews for (hard to review anything with hundreds of episodes and different guests appearing).
It would be amazing if we could delay yes and no votes for helpful/not helpful until after something has aired since that is, from what I’ve seen, one of the main incentives for people throwing what amounts to their anticipation into what is a far less ideal box when they review. If they *change* their review, will it reset the helpful votes? After all, it isn’t the same review anymore if they flesh out their “omg oppa/gege/OTP team is fire, so good!” initial hype and write something that might even counter it drastically. Will others see their review edits or just the author?
Sorry to ask so much in a hurry. I am glad something is being done about it! The abundance of shallow pilot episode day reviews from completely empty accounts with zero titles in watchlists, etc, most of them written the day of signing up, will be welcome removals! Even if they add the title to get around the “must watch an episode to review” detail, the expiration date for these nonsense reviews is a good balancing effort between overeager empty content posts and the ones posted at the end of shows that often have hundreds of upvotes to get past to even be in the default view first page or two of reviews and get seen (it took a long time for me to even notice the sort by helpful/recent, and I don’t think I am alone in not noticing that as I scrolled for actual years!).
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Thank you for the transparent communication.
Ongoing reviews will expire after 30 days, becoming hidden, and a notification will be sent to update them.
- Currently, it's possible to tag a review as "completed", even before the drama has finished airing. I hope that will also be no longer possible? Because tagging a review as "completed" would be an easy loophole to circumvent the new rule.
- How will this affect reviews that were written before the update?
I think the new changes won't solve all of the issues -- for example the race for an early review to get votes, like ElBee explained, unless editing the review would reset the helpful/not helpful votes -- which I would love! It's so simple and petty, but it would be incredibly effective! Or as another example empty reviews (I recently saw one that was just "AAA" for lines and lines.)
But it will certainly be interesting to see how exactly users will change their behaviours regarding reviews for ongoing shows.
Regarding the fringe cases of long-running TV shows -- I have exactly one of them among my 120 reviews, and the changes are not a problem for me. I'll either update it or maybe post a copy in the comment section.
If updated again, the 30-day period will reset, and so on.
Will it be considered an edit if I just change the amount of episodes viewed?
Overall rating will be optional.
Category ratings will also be optional.
Yay! That will affect my review writing because it will increase my freedom to give incredibly mixed reviews! Much appreciated!
A history of edits will be available when you change the rating or the content.
Similar to Elbee's question: Will it visible to readers of a review if it has been edited? I'm thinking of something like a small comment below the review "edited X times, last on [day]".
BTW while we at this, can we also have option to sort according to rating, alongside most helpful and most recent? Because sometimes, the most helpful sorting is not that helpful for large number of reviews.TimiZero:
That would be nice.
Or make the "recently added" the default order. Now, THAT would diminish people's race to be earliest and get a lot of "helpful" votes, so their review will be visible later.
Thank you again for the transparency, and for your hard work. Even if it should take another year, this helps to assure the community that changes are being planned, and gives an insight in which direction MDL will be evolving.
I'll be looking forward to version ... 7, was it? And to the changes it'll bring. Thanks.
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