180 Degrees Longitude Between Us (2022)

Incrivelmente belo

Vamos esclarecer primeiro que não se trata de uma produção BL, e sim LGBTQIAP+, e são gêneros diferentes.
Se vc sonha com um BL fofinho, cheio de clichês e um final feliz, definitivamente não perca seu tempo. Essa série é focada em dois pontos principais: Primeiro, os fatores psicológicos que levam cada personagem a agir como age, e segundo, na cinematografia perfeita, que por muitas vezes nos faz perdoar atitudes que não gostamos sem que nem percebamos. A série utiliza muitas figuras de linguagem e simbologia para explicar os sentimentos dos personagens, como a ponte, o medo de atravessá-la, o colar com o mapa mundi de Wang, a analogia da baleia, entre outras coisas.

O roteiro conta a história dos 4 personagens (4 incluindo o morto) de forma interligada e ao mesmo tempo separadamente. Foi genial as técnicas usadas para que o fator psicológico fosse privilegiado, mesmo que ao final as coisas não tenham saído como a maioria queria. Aparentemente, In e o pai de Wang eram melhores amigos no passado, até que Sasiwimol, que também era amiga de In se apaixonou perdidamente pelo pai de Wang, e conseguiu se casar com ele. Tiveram um filho, Wang, que não chegou a conhecer o pai, já que ele morreu num acidente. Essa é a história dita...
A história subentendida é que o pai de Wang amava In, e era recíproco. Em algum momento ele não suportou mais viver uma mentira e foi ao encontro de In, morrendo num acidente antes de chegar ao seu destino. Em seu íntimo, Sasiwimol sabe de tudo isso, mas opta por fingir não saber, opta por um bom relacionamento com In para camuflar seus sentimentos de revolta e solidão, que ela busca preencher com seu trabalho e com um filho "troféu", pra quem ela não tem tempo, mas também não o deixa seguir seus sonhos.
No meio disso tudo está Wang, apaixonado pelo homem que amava seu pai, mesmo sabendo da diferença de idade entre eles, e sem saber o real motivo de tudo que aconteceu no passado. Wang tem seus sonhos, quer descobrir o mundo, tem sede de infinito... mas a mãe o ancora e não o deixa voar.
Muitas coisas não são ditas, muitas ficam apenas subentendidas, muitas decepcionam. Não é possível dizer com certeza se In e Wang tiveram uma noite de amor quando dormiram juntos (eu penso que sim). Não é possível dizer com certeza se In ama realmente Wang ou projeta nele seu falecido pai, não é possível dizer os sentimentos exatos de Sasiwimol por In, se é raiva, desprezo, rancor... também não posso definir se o problema dela é homofobia ou medo da solidão, ou perder o filho pra quem ela acha que lhe tirou o marido.

Com certeza o final dessa série foi o mais inusitado de todos... eu realmente não esperava ver In desistir de Wang e voltar à sua vida reclusa, agora com mais uma dor em seu coração. Não esperava que Wang simplesmente desistisse de tudo e voltasse com sua mãe, e ela fingindo que nada tinha acontecido... talvez seja a deixa para uma segunda temporada que vai chegar de surpresa como a primeira chegou, oremos!!!

Em reação à atuação, é inacreditável que uma série com basicamente 3 atores e vários monólogos e diálogos psicológicos tenha atingido um nível de atuação tão perfeito. A ost da série é maravilhosa, especialmente os instrumentais melancólicos, que combinam perfeitamente com a história e a fotografia perfeita da série.

Enfim, essa série é um hino, impossível não indicar.

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Gives off a 'front row seat' vibe

The mood of this drama is like a very gritty play where the dialogue is given the most focus and the actors convey raw emotion.

The characters are flawed and hurting and in this secluded house past traumas come to the surface in broken remembrances.

Although it is dark at times this is still a story about love and loneliness.
A lonely mother devoted to her son but wanting to control and keep him with her as her best friend.
A lonely young man just discovering his sexuality and torn between his love for his mother and his burgeoning need for independence.
A lonely architect living a monastic existence as perceived punishment for past mistakes.

In their own ways each character is trying to use their influence on the others for their own advantage. The different means they use is what defines their personality. Sometimes we are overwhelmed by the volume (lit and fig) of words and other times the silences are deafening.
Left me with a lot of unanswered questions.
Who was the most selfish?
Who really showed love?
Who was really the strongest of the group?

I would love to rewatch this as a movie without the breaks.

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deceitful with incomplete execution...or...perhaps because of it

What is this? Tension replacing chemistry?

I was underwhelmed by this drama. Let me get it straight, the reviewers, you guys, I trust you and you really sold this one to me. 😂 I was ready to give money that's how well this drama was hyped. 💸

It was a slow drama that hardly kept my attention. Son and a father and a friend of a father and mother. It is very messy and in my understanding, ultimately none of it feels real. Or healthy.

Love? Hell, they are traumatized, all trying to heal themselves in another.

How do I feel about that? Not well. I cannot but feel some ick when heavy topics are badly executed to seem real and genuine for the sake of entertainment. It did not even feel real. I mean how did Wang fell in love so quickly with Inthawut? Trauma, I tell you, he said himself that In fills the gap in him.

And do not think I did not notice all the attempts to simulate Call Me By Your Name. From the music to characterization to scenery to way their bond is portrayed. Really? Wang has my props as an actor, despite bad writing of his character. Wait, let me go give him some flowers...

Ok, I am back. Wang did quite well, mother was not bad either. Inthawut was lacking for me, he was like a shell.

The chemistry between the leads is only in intense staring. Their convos held zero chemistry despite heavy topics I was bored out of hell. And what is In falling in love with, again? Immature and impulsive emotionally neglected son of his friend. Why would he though? Unresolved trauma.

You may say, JXP, this one is not about love but healing. But honestly I do not know these characters. And I never got to know them. This was irrational punch that was supposed to be intense but ended up boring. Again props to Pond, he did a wonderful job as a young actor.

Ah.. perhaps it was well intentioned project but for me...deceitful with incomplete execution...or...perhaps deceitful because of incomplete execution.

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душераздирающий и мощный психологически

Посмотрела на себя и многих клиентов со стороны. Лакорн однозначно в любимые. С первой минуты и до последней, я вскрыла все свои раны, которые кажется залечила. Я не буду рассказывать свою историю, одно скажу - с некоторых пор я сирота при живой био женщине. Такой как показана здесь. Я ставлю себя на место Вана и на место Ина я ставлю тех, кого я искала как "спасательный круг" чтобы просто начать дышать самостоятельно. Лакорн сильно ударил по эмоциям. Это была не просто игра сложной истории, а осознание болезненного момента со зависимых людей и манипуляторов отравляющих жизнь "в благих соображениях". У меня такая же био контролирующая, заставляющая всех чувствовать себя виноватыми (особенно меня) за все вещи происходящие в мире, а не только в нашей жизни. Я сама мама и вот, что скажу: уважаемые родители, когда вы становитесь "друзьями" своим детям - это прекрасно, но... Но лучший друг это поддержка, "свободные уши" и отношения без выгоды, своей чертовой выгоды. Вы можете направлять, а не указывать. Когда говорите, смотрите в глаза и чувствуйте, как и где откликается информация которую вы даете. Актрисой прекрасно сыграно эти моменты. Если она не видела "щенячьего отклика" на ее команды и манипуляции, моментально появлялась реакция "я жертва, мне плохо" при этом гипнотически смотря в глаза и четко вкладывая информацию которая нужна и выгодна только ей. Ван. Этот ребенок слишком рано повзрослел. Смотрела игру Понда и как в зеркало смотрела. Ребенок, которых превзошел взрослых, т.к. взрослый Ин так и не вырос. Этот взрослый мужчина, начитанный и образованный, на самом деле ребенок который боится всего и прячется от мира, ибо однажды понял, что отличается. Он постоянно просит прощения, просто не умеет брать ответственность. Режиссура, операторская работа, локация, цветовое решение, саундтрек также восхитительны. Завершение меня добило окончательно. Трындящая маман, которая совсем не заметила боль, тоску и слезы "любимого" сына. Дети будут счастливы, а следовательно и вы, если поддержка, умение выслушать и любовь не на словах, а в внимании. Концовка обращение ко всем:

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J'espère que ma critique sera compréhensible...

J'ai trouvé que la symbolique de longitude et de lattitude était sympa, le fait que le fils soit mené à rencontrer le premier amour de son père décédé, et que sa mère assiste à ça, sachant qu'elle savait que son mari aimait son meilleur ami, homme pour qui son mari était fou amoureux et s'est tué un jour par désespoir... Tout ça, est très complexe, c'est ça qui est passionnant ; on assiste à chacun des trois points de vue ; celui du fils, qui tombe amoureux de Inn, le meilleur ami de sa mère, mais qui est différent de lui au niveau du tempérament car il est plutôt lâche et n'ose pas affirmer ses propres choix ; on voit l'inquiétude de la mère pour son fils, et son égoïsme car elle préfère garder son fils auprès d'elle alors qu'elle se rend compte qu'il est amoureux de son meilleur ami, et on voit que le fils fini par prendre sur lui pour ne pas la blesser... Pour moi, la mère est toxique, elle ne pense qu'à elle et son bien-être personnel ; ça me fend le coeur de voir ça, et pourtant, je suis maman moi-même... Je n'aime pas trop son caractère ; elle est trop possessive, égoïste et trop bavarde, mais c'est vrai qu'en tant que maman, c'est toujours dur de savoir que son fils va la quitter...

Une histoire où tout le monde souffre au final... Mais c'est beau, et ça fait réfléchir un peu pour les trois cas.

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boring

I binge watched it and I skipped so many times
I loved the deep meanings of it and the ACTING which was the best part. But honestly the dialogues... it's ONLY dialogues nothing happens like ever, the son pissed me off, I get it he has issues trust me I get it, but it doesn't excuse some of his shitty behaviour. Also I think he was the only one in love, In was probably just thinking of this boy's dad all along. At first I didn't wanna watch because of the creepy age gap but then I saw people praising it... yes I agree the subjects are great but clearly not expressed in the best way. like the show makes you think the uncle loves Wang back when I really didn't feel like it was the case.
And the mom was portrayed as a crazy old woman and apart from her homophobia (which wasn't relevant to the plot and just brought the subject of queerness in a really useless way btw it went nowhere) she's not that bad of a mom, and if my son announced he was in love with my best friend who's my age I would go crazy too, the boy is barely legal, I know it's not against the law but laws and morals are different and I'm not letting an old man touch young people, this is just creepy.
To conclude, this didn't go anywhere, had some good points but was basically just boring long dialogues.

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Deep Lesson In This

First, The story and the script/dialogues are the main reasons I continue watching this.
2nd: The drama set was shot on limited ground with limited people. it was also OK for me. for me who likes minimalist style. The drama set and limited actors were comfortable to the eye and I was focusing on the story more.
3rd: Actor: Pond Ponlawit Ketprapakorn needs to work on his acting more but the story was interesting to me so the acting was also ok.

The story showed the real truth of our society. This kind of toxic parent behavior is common in every culture. Parents forget they are also human and their decision can be wrong. Children are also human, parents should present the reasons in front of them and work on common ground to find a solution.
Society made a norm: school > college/university > work > married > children > die. if we all try to go against this norm. it becomes a 'problem'.
Some children sacrifice their happiness for their parent's temporary satisfaction and endure the pain and hurt. which became the trauma of a lifetime. some fight back, follow their heart, and become taboo of their society and an ungrateful beings.

our society needs this kind of story to know the other face of our society not everything is a rainbow in real life.

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una serie que logra que las emociones traspasen la pantalla

la verdad es que no le tenía mucha fé cuando la empecé, pero después del primer episodio supe que se iba a convertir en una de mis series favoritas - y eso que nunca me terminan de convencer al 100% la mayoría.

si bien la historia a mí me resultó bastante predecible, me encantó como no dejaron ningún punto de la trama sin desarrollar. el desenvolvimiento de de todas las inquietudes que wang le iba planteando a in fue un 10/10 sin dudas — si bien sabía, lo sabía perfectamente, que no iban a tener un final feliz, me encantó también que no decidieran cambiar toda la personalidad de in por arte de magia y hacerlo decir algo "no, wang! te amo, sigamos juntos", porque eso no sería para nada realista.

la historia de un adolescente que se enamora de quien por primera vez lo entiende, protege, aconseja, enseña sobre la vida y por sobre todo, llena el vacío que dejó la muerte de su papá — y también, la historia de arrepentimiento, dolor y cobardía de un hombre cuyos actos desencadenaron más dolor del que él planeaba evitar.

quizás no tanto wang, pero in es una persona que está completamente rota por dentro. era imposible para él, por su trauma, darse la oportunidad de amar, y menos que menos al hijo de quien fue también el amor de su vida. por eso digo que el final fue súper realista y adecuado para la serie. te rompe el alma, si, pero es genial.

apartado especial para criticar a la mamá de wang, por dios, que mujer insoportable, ni siquiera podía dejarlo llorar en paz en el auto porque ella no cerraba la boca dos segundos. manipuladora y controladora. no sos amiga de wang y tampoco su hermana, sos su mamá.. media pila te pido. sin embargo, me gustó que su personaje tampoco evolucionara mágicamente como suele pasar en otros bls, cosas como, "wang, está bien, mamá te va a apoyar en todo lo que hagas, quédate con in" me hubiesen hecho dejar de ver la serie, la verdad. creo que su personaje, así como está, fue perfecto para ser el que nos genera rechazo.

por último, me gustaría decir que AMÉ la cinematografía, los colores elegidos para todos los episodios y la manera en la que representan tan bien las vibras de cada situación. las metáforas, como la del puente o la ballena, hicieron que la historia sea más profunda, sin embargo, no más difícil de entender.

no le doy un 10 porque creo que el personaje de in debería haber actuado más con respecto a algunas situaciones. la manera en la que seguía intentando aferrarse a mol, la mamá de wang, ya me parecía ilógica — en varias ocasiones fue tibio. pero nada más que eso. le doy un 9,50 en total.

si buscan una serie que les deje el corazón roto por unos días y las emociones a flor de piel, entonces te la recomiendo al 100%.
ah, y una cosa importante, si estás buscando escenas +18 entonces ni te molestes porque no hay ninguna — simplemente la serie no se enfoca en eso y está perfecto. el desarrollo en las emociones y sentimientos de los personajes es lo que importa. sin embargo, la tensión está presente en TODOS los episodios!

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Im glad I put aside my initial bias to give this drama a chance

I felt very uneasy watching this drama, but I know its supposed to be that way and part of me is glad that I set aside my hesitation to watch this drama. There is daddy and mommy issues all up on this thing. On the surface you see attraction between the male leads with a significant age gap among other taboos that is pretty messed up. Its hard to swallow. Its disturbing. But I put that aside in this case because this drama isnt about romance at all. If we were to follow the metaphor layed out, there is no doubt here. The leads would never be together. But underneath that it goes beyond the individual but the ideologies that Wang and In represents. You have these two very different people of differing generations sharing the same trauma. You watch as Wang and In get entangled in philosophical questioning. They lay out their statements and pick apart each other's arguments challenging each other's words. For Wang, he wholeheartedly fights without hesitation. He has conviction and passion and stands by his beliefs. He gets frustrated and angry and doesnt understand why loving a man is an issue. He wants to travel beyond his resting coordinates. Above all, he holds his truth and embodies it and lets the world see it. There is a beautiful scene that stuck out to me in the drama where Wang reaches out his hand over In's heart trying to will that belief into him. He so badly wants In to adopt his worldview, to accept his feelings and his identity . To me, I see this as Wang represented by his generation trying so hard to convince the prior generation to change. Wang gives the world he inhereted from his father to In. The globe now in his care, its up to In to decide on how to proceed forward. He responds to Wang by encouraging him to stick with his beliefs, follow his instincts, and use his talents for good.

In's perspective is filled with trauma. His sees the world differently and explaining this here would be a big spoiler, so to put it simply you learn to understand why each character make their choices. In cant move on from the past and Wang accepts this. If In adopted this worldview earlier on. If society wasnt so messed up back then. If he felt safe enough to express his love for another man in the past, he wouldve led a happy life with the love of his life. If that happened, Wang probably wouldnt have been born. His existence came out of his In's heartbreak and his parent's broken relationships. The age gap has a purpose here. I dont think the messaging here is to accept the age gap which is why in this case Im putting that aside. It never comes to fruition. Its in the name of the title. They discuss parallel lines never meeting. The messaging is to examine the victims of this messed up society. That if we hold onto the past and if we dont let go of those ideologies, it hurts people. Therefore if we follow this metaphor... Wang accepts the failure. He is unable to convince the prior generation to adopt his worldview but it isnt defeat. After all given his age, time is on his side. His generation and the following will craft the future in the hopes that they can show them all what a better world could look like. An optimistic perspective for a very pessimistic outlook in that things might not change but at least its worth trying.

The acting in this is phenomenal. Im really looking forward to watching more from these actors. The drama is slow moving and introspective which might not be for everyone. But, overall I liked what i saw. The cinematography is gorgeous. Considering that In is an architect, the set design is very intentional. His house is very refelective of him to the smallest detail. Wide open windows to the isolated woods he lives in. Even the Rectangular and square geometric shapes in the background including glassware and lampshades. He is living in the safety of his own box scared to wander outside of it. The drama makes use of his room divider that mimics bars of a cell. The muted gray earthtone colors for his cave...the list goes on. Very well done but I would probably not rewatch it. Lol. Its very uncomfortable to watch the first time around and quite sad at the end. Anyway a solid drama for me that is unlike any other BL I have ever watched.

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Immersif et poignant mais si vous vous attendez à de la romance passez votre chemin !

Par où commencer... Déjà si vous venez pour une énième romance à l'eau de rose avec des moments intimes passez votre chemin. Ce n'est clairement pas ce genre de série. C'est plutôt le genre de série qui va vous faire vous poser des questions et va vous pousser à l'introspection.

Dès le départ, je me suis demandé si je regardais une pièce de théâtre filmée ou une série, et ça a duré tout au long de celle ci.
Déjà le casting.... OMG. cette alchimie que les 3 protagonistes ont entre eux, c'est la première fois que je ressentais ça dans une série. Les jeux d'acteurs sont tellement bon qu'on a l'impression d'être intégré à l'histoire, et pas juste en temps que spectateurs. Je me suis senti connectée à tous les personnages mais plus particulièrement à Wang.
Les émotions dégagées sont fortes, intenses parfois même écrasante et criante de vérité. Cette série porte des émotions tellement fortes que j'ai pleuré pendant tout le dernier épisodes.

L'histoire en elle même y est pour beaucoup. mais aussi les décors, la colorimétrie....Les messages caché à travers les décors comme le pont, ou encore le paravent dans la chambre de In, ou les couleurs utilisé ... aide à s'immerger complètement dans l'histoire. ça nous permet de voir le sens caché des choses. Comme le fait de se mettre des barrières, celui de vouloir se reconnecté au monde après un moment difficile et éprouvant.

J'aurais souhaité une autre fin, même des années plus tard. Mais celle-ci était poignante aussi et nous laisse avec des messages qui poussent à la réflexion voire même à l'introspection.

Enfin bref, j'ai adoré cette série. J'ai plutôt tendance à regarder des romances toute mignonne. Cette série m'a donné une bonne claque pour me reconnecter à la réalité. Et le tout sans aucune scène de baiser ni plus. Je la recommande mais pas si vous vivez un moment difficile. ça pourrait vous découragez... ou peut être au contraire vous donnez envie de vous en sortir?... A vous de décider !!

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Mature and Precise

The plot hit me big time. It's well written. Heavy yet meaningfull dialogs.

The talents gave justice to their characters. You can really feel their emotions through their actions and eye contact.

There's no "intimate" explicit scene but you'll get it. I cant remember any unnecessary scene just to prolong the series.

Excellent cinematography. Simple but striking.

Different people, different perspective.
It's true that there's someone who always get what he/she want; and there's someone who always give way for what "should" be done.

Parents always want the best for their children but sometimes they should check if their children really like it. The more you control the person, the higher the probability that he/she will go against you. Disorder to more disorder- entropy... that's how nature works.

Highly recommended series, but not for those who prefer lovey-dovey type. 😊

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Heartbreakingly beautiful or beautifully heartbreaking

The series is a masterpiece. Considering the fact that it so extremely focused on conversations between the characters, one would expect to be bored easily. But the reality is different. I was kept on the edge of my seat through most of the conversations, especially when Wang finally let out everything he was feeling.

The pace seems both slow and fast at the same time, but it is not something that bothered me. I actually think it fits the storyline very nicely. I really loved how nicely different metaphors were put into the dialogue. And even into the scenes themselves. The lines, the bridge, the divider in In’s room. They all made so much sense in relation to the story, the emotions and relations between the characters.

Death of a parent, or another loved one, is always hard. What we have in the series is three people who loved the same man (in different was) and are still mourning his loss. Each in their own way, but they are all still hurting, and there is so much left unsaid between them.

Sasiwimol, Wang’s mom, is a character I really wanted to hate. She comes across as someone who is very prejudiced towards LGBTQ+ community, who abandoned her child when he needed her most, and as someone who doesn’t really know how to be a mom but prefers to be a friend. But towards the end, we get to see just how much she really cares for Wang. She might not be the best mother out there and is quite manipulative, she still cares for Wang deep inside. She wants him to live a life of no pain, of happiness, something she didn’t necessarily have.

Inthawut, the 52-hertz whale, still feels incredible amounts of guilt for what has happened in the past. While there are certain parts of the story between In, Mol and Siam (Wang’s father) that are still unclear, his pain is. He hid himself away from his friends and most society, hoping to fix things that he didn’t even cause. He, I think, sees his loneliness as something he deserves for what has happened in the past.

Wang is lost. Not geographically, but definitely philosophically. He is unsure about who he is as he feels a big part of him was lost with his father’s death. His mom is not someone he can always have an honest conversation with as the two end up arguing. But he finds someone willing to talk in In. I don’t know if Wang’s love is actually real or if he is just interpreting it as such, but that is not really the main aspect of the series. It’s actually Wang’s journey of self-discovery. He learns a lot about his father, about his mother and about In, which in turn helps him learn a lot more about himself as well.

I expected the ending we got, and I think it was the right one. It doesn’t mean it wasn’t heartbreakingly beautiful. Wang had to completely break himself down before he was able to build himself up again. The same is true for In and even Mol. The three of them really went through a roller coaster of emotions.

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