Don't Say No (2021)

Pretty good

I would have given it a 10 if the series ended at ep 10 (minus 5 mins). Ep 10 was the best episode of the series, Fiat sorted everything and apologised to his family and both the couple had intimate scenes. Ep 11 just ruined everything. The writer forcibly made them break up even though they faced even worse conditions together, idk but i had a hard time accepting that they broke up simply because of a misunderstanding that could've easily resolved by simple communication. They showed such a strong bond throughout the series ans communicated everytime but suddenly instead of talking they choose to breakup? Ep 11 just ruined the perfect boyfriend character of Leo. That guy was mature and understanding throughout the series but suddenly he sees his boyfriend with his rival and he doesn't even want to look at Fiat? even when Fiat was not even in his senses? Fiat approached the situation in better way than Leo. He literally saw Leo ''kissing'' another girl and as if that wasn't enough he was going to do it again but Fiat still chose to believe him bcs deep down he knew Leo would never cheat him even though it was hurting him so much. Ep 11 just didn't make sense to me as the characters didnt behave like themselves at all. The only good thing to come out of ep 11 was Fiat in red suit. He looked stunning!

Overall this bl was pretty different form another bls. Both leads parents were supportive of their relationships. Both were in same level financially. It wasn't typically like rich pursuing the poor (it was the story if 2nd leads). Fiat having a deep convo with Leo's mother and Leo having a deep convo with Fiat's father. Leo always being there for Fiat and hugging him to sleep. Nam & Tho's friendship with Fiat, how they always teased him but always helped him. Leon & Fiat dynamics.

Things i liked:-
•Leon's personality
•Friendships of both the leads. Their friends were always ready to help them out in every situation.
•Fiat's HUGE character development
•They expressed their love multiple times
•Their intimate scenes
•Fiat's relationship with Leo's family especially with his mother. I absolutely loved the scene when Leo's father came to save Fiat from his mother. Fiat called him father and he called him his son.
•An's savage personality
•When Leo prepared a surprise to show Fiat how loved he is for his birthday.

Things i disliked:-
•Fiat's dad's actions. I know he always wanted the best for Fiat but the way he addressed the situation only made it worse.
•Ep 11 (yeah i'm bitter)
•King going that far just to win a basketball game didn't click for me.

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Cute

Rated= 7 ~ 27/50 ~ 5.4
RPG Scene // Mages resting in a Crumbling Castle. Battle Axe not needed

A pretty cute BL I binge watched one Sunday.

It's pretty standard material but I like that the show started with the start of the relationship rather than the progression, so it was more about about trying to navigate how to be with each other, as opposed to wanting to be with each other.
The drama was up and down, every other episode but I've come to expect that so it doesn't take a lot of thinking, just let it unravel and it's sorted out by the next episode.

I did appreciate the attempts at communicating each other's desires for one another, allowing a natural progression of sexuality within the relationship rather than just jumping each other's bones immediately.

I did find Fiat slightly annoying as a character, a babyish kind of character, pouting and seemingly unable to do regular activities because he's so rich and never had to, or because Leo indulges him. This dynamic is a matter of preference, not really my thing but I can see how indulging in a rich guy pampering your every whim is a bit of desire for many people and can be enjoyed as such.
Both actors are fairly easy on the eyes and seem to work well with each other. Fiat has very beautiful eyes and Leo makes me think he would do well in as a prince in a costume drama. The chemistry between them seemed pretty good and not too forced.

The plot was predictable with the usual melodrama for me but I admittedly enjoyed Fiat's sass to every 3rd party attempt at his man. I do like a bit of sass and it did make me smirk slightly.

Fiat's mother was a strange case but they handled the delicate scenes with child Fiat well. I did feel more for the character after that and makes his own behaviour slightly more understandable.

I would have liked to have seen more of the lesbian friends because they seemed like an adorable couple but as with most friends in BL's they were left to the side to explain the obvious to the viewers.
I also would have loved to have seen more of a punishment for one curly haired character at the end. What he did to Fiat was not ok and there was only a hint of justice at the end. I would have liked to have seen the police cart this slimeball off in handcuffs because that's what he truly deserved.

Visually, they couldn't get enough of the 'really wealthy family' backgrounds. I think we seen a few different mansions in this series and the rest of the time is around the university. The emotional scenes were little overdone and at times somewhat cheesy but sweet nonetheless.

I really didnt care for the sub couple, even skipping them at times but again, that's a matter of preference and I did find them a little awkward with each other. As characters, they didn't seem to fit too well together either and it did seem like a very random, why are you together? kind of couple.

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Better than TharnType but still toxic

Meh. Didn’t expect that much, considering it’s a spin-off of TharnType, so that already says a lot.
I did like the main couple a bit more than TharnType but Fiat was just way too annoying with playing “hard to get”. I don’t get what Leo sees in him. Though he did get a development and was definitely better written than in TT.

I mainly watched this bc LeoFiat fans kept saying that Fiat is better here than in TT. I hated him so much there, yet was curious so I gave it a shot. Well... big disappointment. He didn’t change at all. Okay, maybe a little bit. But he keeps hurting Leo and then denying it or puts the blame on him. And worst of all, Leo actually thinks it’s his fault. Dude, whaat??? If your boyfriend was a sl*t his whole life, how are you to blame? T_T

At least this beautiful ship LeonPob was introduced, so I had to continue. They’re so damn cute. And even tho I didn’t trust Leon at first (cause he was a player), I did root for him at the end. Also, respect to this man who kept pursuing Pob.
Which makes the ending even more sadder. Yes, it’s realistic, but cmon! The only reason I watched 12 episodes and then... :(

What I did like overall, also with LeoFiat, is the realism. E.g.: finally becoming a couple but then not knowing how to act; being embarrassed during your first time and not knowing what to do; the talks about how to improve in bed; etc. That's really awesome, instead just giving us the hot scenes, that usually never take place like that in real life.

-14.11.21

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Cadê meu Leon&Pob? Mame, vc prometeu!!!

Eu amo os BL' s da Mame! E esse, por ser derivado de "TharnType 2", que é uma das minhas séries favoritas já ganhou meu coração antes de começar.

Antes de falar do roteiro, gostaria de falar algo sobre os dois protagonistas. O ator First é realmente um grande ator! Ele simplesmente conseguiu fazer o público esquecer todo o ódio que ele causou no fandom em TharnType e se tornou um personagem totalmente amado, e mais, fez com que uma sociedade conservadora aceitasse seu passado e sua mudança de personalidade. Esse feito sempre será lembrado por mim. O outro prota, Ja Pachara, já ganhou meu coração pela versatilidade. Eu o conheci em UWMA em um papel bem diferente, e do nada ele é um grande e sexy gostoso. Amo quando os ativos são cadelinhas dos passivos.

Sobre o roteiro: poderia ser melhor se algumas coisas fizessem mais sentido, ou tivesse explicações melhores. Eu compreendi o motivo pelo qual Leo e Fiat nunca se declararam, mesmo se amando. Ambos tinham medo de perderem um ao outro. Não entendi a postura do pai de Fiat... tem todo o drama da mãe, porém não era motivo pra ele expulsar o filho. Uma mãe como a do Léo e Leon é o sonho de todo blzeiro, que mãe incrível, aliás, que país incríveis. Os amigos então, nada menos que perfeitos. Achei meio sem noção inserirem a sirigaita no final sem nenhum contexto, pra mim era bem óbvio que era apenas um drama pra que a série não terminasse sem um problema sendo resolvido, mas não teve nem contexto para a inserção dessa garota chata. E, me desculpa Mame, mas não posso perdoar o final de Pob e Leon... assisti o EP especial imaginando que eles se reencontraram, mas não vejo lógica em criar um casal, esse casal ganhar uma fanbase, e simplesmente fazer uma separação sem lógica, já que no EP especial Pob volta, então pq não ficaram juntos???? Imaginei de imediato que era a deixa para uma próxima temporada, mas pelo tempo que faz (2021), já estou perdendo a esperança. Na maior parte do tempo o casal é muito fofo, os conflitos é que são meio sem noção na minha opinião. A série tem muitos clichês, a universidade não é o foco principal, e sim o esporte, que também é clichê, mas fica mais interessante.

Os aspectos técnicos são muito dignos. Desde atuação, ost, fotografia, cenografia, filmografia, até mesmo os plow twists meio que previsíveis, tudo é bom apesar dos pesares. Recomendo essa série, inclusive é uma das minhas preferidas. Sigo na espera de uma segunda temporada para Leon e Pob. Uma das séries que faço questão de panfletar.

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Not as Bad as people make it out to be.

First of all if you want to know the what happened before Leo asked Fiat to be his before watch
Don't Say No: LeoFiat Special AKA The Secret (Love) - for a fast version of what happened in TT S2 or watch
TharnType Season 2: 7 Years of Love - for a more in-depth version of what happened.

Now onto my review... So many people put low ratings to this, now I can see why, but some are WAY to low in my option. Now was the story all that great, truthfully, no not really it has some holes in it, and could have been a bit better in parts of it, but the concept of it was really good, I liked how the whole was in the story. In parts with how it was it wasn't always there to see, but others it was.

Fiat's life wasn't the greatest he had low self-esteem, thinking no one wanted him because they all left him, that can mess with your head. The only one who stay with him thru it all was the one he loved the most Leo. Even thru he was the biggest slut there was, Leo still stay by his side and was there for him when ever he needed him. Talk about love... Sad that they both loved each other, but never had the courage to confess for so very long....

I don't want to give to much away, but I do want to say that even though the story could have been written a bit better in parts, if you really look at the story and what it all meant by looking at the whole and not just the bad parts you will see what I saw. Something that does happen in real life, just not always with a happy ending like this one, but there could be some who has endings like this to.

I love Ja (Leo) and First (Fiat) together they are so cute, they work great together and have great chemistry!! Ok, off to go watch the Special Episode of this now.

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Deux couples bien accordés

Sincèrement meilleur que ce à quoi je m'attendais. Après TharnType 2, je trouvais Fiat antipathique et Leo bien trop mou. Mais ça vaut le coup de donner une chance aux personnages à présent qu'ils ont un peu plus de substance.
Fiat est en réalité tout à fait aimable et dévouée à Leo, il est juste brisé et a besoin d'un protecteur, d'un sauveur, ce que représente Leo ; celui-ci est un peu moins passif que dans le prologue mais j'aimerais le voir plus tranchant. Les deux acteurs forment un beau couple, leur visuel s'accordant parfaitement. Je ne m'attendais néanmoins pas à ce que leur histoire soit aussi "angsty" et les antagonistes aussi pesants.

Une chose m'a gênée par contre : Fiat passe son temps à s'excuser pour ses histoires passées, ce qu'il n'a à mon sens pas à faire. La série, l'autrice, les scénaristes ont besoin de justifier les actions du personnage, ce que je trouve non nécessaire, il ne trompe pas Leo, qu'il ait eu des relations en étant amoureux de Leo ne justifie pas le jugement déplaisant, réactionnaire, humiliant qui transparait. Un "top" n'aurait pas eu à se justifier.

Le couple secondaire est adorable, doux, drôle, harmonieux et sa présence apporte une tranquillité et une tendresse bienvenue aux moments les plus lourds. Les deux personnages sont au premier abord discordants, physiquement et psychologiquement, mais ils se complètent si bien qu'on ne peut les imaginer l'un sans l'autre. J'espère, j'espère tellement mais sans trop y croire, que Me Mind Y donnera une suite à leur histoire, je ne peux accepter qu'on en reste là.

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Excellently developed characters with flawed but healthy relationships

Enjoyed the serious exploration into promiscuity and trauma. I was surprised by how much I found myself rooting for Fiat, considering his role in TharnType2. It was also a great presentation of a friends-to-lovers dynamic (the awkward phase included). All of the relationships were pretty healthy, but still with their own flaws and obstacles to go through. And all the intimate scenes didn't feel thrown in there for the sake of being there. They felt genuine and purposeful - especially considering Fiat's love language is very obviously touch.

The side/supporting characters were almost just as rounded as the mains. The twin brothers need their own show. I'd even watch it if there was no romance involved. And the subtle (but technically unconfirmed, i suppose) lesbian couple that no one made a big deal about in the show was a great sight to see.

However, all of the drama and trauma coming at the mains might have been a tad to much. And some scenes were too over-acted. So I would get thrown out of the moment on occasion (especially when the mother comes in). I'm liking the route Mame took with these characters. Major kudos. I can definitely see myself going back to certain episodes to re-watch. And I can't wait for the sequel series.

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Love scenes...

Personally im not that kind of a Person who cant watch bl... And i have already watched some but this drama is way different than the others...
I dont know why exactly but i just cant watch this one without skipping when it comes to the scene where the two of them are showing their love to each other... It makes me very uncomfortable...
I mean yes i admit im not into scenes like these but still i have finished many bl dramas without need of skipping...
The story itself is really interesting to watch and i would mostly recommend it to those who dont have same problem as me 😅

Im amazed by myseld that in every bl drama there has to be one that i prefer to the other one... And i often ask myseld how in the world the exactly two of them got together... I also noticed that usually in bl dramas there is one guy who is more sporty than the other one but still bothe of them do some kind of a sport... Thats one interesting i noticed while watching bl...

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Beautiful show with ep11 curse

I personally really liked this show. After such a long time I had this overwhelmed feeling while watching this drama that I had while watching TharnType, Love by chance and WhyRU. This show may not be everyone's cup of tea seeing the type of bl dramas that came in 2021 but it has its own charm. Maybe I have been watching bl dramas since "make it right: the series" era so I felt a little nostalgic with the style this show was running. It's execution reminded me of those times. This is definitely on my rewatch list and LeoFiat are beautiful in the series.

Appreciation for Don't Say No team

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Well worth the wait and watch ...

So I got pretty interested in Leo & Fiat from the Tharn & Type hype, and even though that drama has topped all BL for me this year, This drama didn't disappoint me.

Apart from the fact they were well suited for each other, and did an excellent job with this, along with the all the other characters who I must say were really amazing for they first time drama or screen time, (Hope to see a Leon/Pbob story line)?

So the story of Fiat and Lea was really good got to understand why fiat portrayed himself the way he did, and Leo finally standing up for his love and having the courage to get his man. It also touched on some very sensitive issues, such mental health, and toxic side of there relationship. For me I liked the fact the Leo was able strong enough to handle fiat breakdown, and stand up for his man, when his mother came and used emotional blackmail to turn him away from the people that loved him, and for me the turning point was how Leo showed how loved fiat was with all his friends and his family,, that was an amazing scene put together!!

As for the Leo possessive, Dam he can tie/lock me up, that scene was so hot and showed how much his love was there for Fiat.. I was down with that!!!

The only downside of this drama, is that I felt the NC scenes were not as hot as Thran & Type, but story and the chemistry overruled that.

Overall: This drama well done and everything and everyone about was amazing HATS OFF TO ALL!!!!

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And once again, my heart is with the second couple

I’m a sucker for a friends-to-lovers plotline. We met both Leo and Fiat in TharnType Season 2, and I really liked both (ignoring the kidnapping part). I know Fiat was supposed to be the villain and there are things he has done that I do not agree with, but he was just looking for love. Even if in the wrong place.

Leo & Fiat: the two have been friends since forever, so them moving from being just friends to being more was something that required a lot of adapting from both. I really like how awkward things got at times – like the two are used to sharing a bed, but once they become lovers, neither of them knows how to act or what to do. It had a very realistic feel to it. There were plenty of weird messes to deal with, both past and present, but I think that is a very MAME thing to do. I did not like how most of them were dealt with, to be honest. But at least their communication was good, and consent was always clearly given. Also, can we talk about how cute Fiat sounds when he is all whiny and calls Leo? I swear I wanted to pinch his cheeks every time he went “Leoooo.”

But back to the messes – am I the only one who thinks that the issues brough up are important and difficult topics to deal with, yet they seem to be dealt with very poorly and with no real understanding of their severity? Rape, kidnapping, blackmailing, drugging, child abuse… all very serious topics, yet they seemed to be just brushed aside. And it often seems like the sympathy is misplaced, instead of worrying about the victim of the situation, everyone seems to worry about others.

Leon & Pob: they are so adorable together! They are very different from one another, yet they fit each other so well. Pob is a lot more reserved and doesn’t open easily, while Leon seems to be a bit of a troublemaker. Pob does come across kind of cold and rude at times, but it’s hard to be upset about it when we know his past. Leon is persistent, I give him that, but he was not creepy about it. He was very respectful about boundaries, and always checked for consent before doing anything. I really like the fact that Leon was pansexual, confirmed, as it does show diversity in sexualities. BL shows tend to know only two sexualities – gay and “not gay but I love you” when it comes to their pairings. So, this was a nice change. And I, once again, fell for the second couple. Their ending though… I can’t wait for their series.

I think Leo’s and Leon’s parents are great. I do find their mom a bit too intrusive at times, but with everything Fiat went through and with Pob being an orphan, I love how open she was to accept both of them. I also really enjoy Fiat’s relationship with Leon, the two act like brothers – they argue, they tease each other, but they also have each other’s backs. Fiat’s parents on the other hand are a complete mess though. I really don’t get the thought process behind his dad’s actions, his mom is trainwreck. But at least his stepmom is nice, and I liked his little sister too (especially her sharp tongue and honesty).

The friends were okay. I really like how supportive they were of Leo and Fiat through everything. I am completely in awe of Anda though. She is Leo’s friend and a totally badass. I love her character. She has this “I’m in charge” aura around her, and she can handle everything very well. Natsu was a cutie too!

The styling was on point though. Each character had a unique style and I love how it was incorporated into the series. And I’m back to Anda – her styling was absolutely gorgeous! And Fiat’s red suit? Yes, please!

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